In this chapter of Inward Journey, Stevie takes a day off of work to visit Rio and share her recent experiences and breakdown and to inquire how she could have handled it all more consciously. Some of the themes discussed in this episode are emotional processing, Divine Order, trust, faith, non-judgement, spirituality practice, anxiety, our wants and needs and many more.
Story written by: Aaron Keith
Story read by: Claire Glover
Music by: Alexander
Sound effects by : Alexander
[00:00:21] Storyteller: Wise Whys - Inward Journey
[00:00:34] Episode 12 - Who’s Looking Out For You?
[00:00:39] The warmth of the morning sun radiated through the comforter, hugging Stevie’s body as she left the dream state and groggily returned to this world. It had been almost two weeks since her big disappointment of not getting the job she wanted and she had been living in a depressed bubble, barely speaking to Stan or even taking care of herself, for that matter. All of that was going to change today as she had taken a day off from work to hang out with Rio and get clear on all of her current life questions and curiosities.
[00:01:11] Knowing she had to get moving, Stevie kicked the sheets down, touched both feet to the ground and headed straight to the shower. She did most of her contemplation and planning there, using it to prepare herself for the day ahead.
[00:01:24] With the rest of the morning, Stevie prepared a simple breakfast of yogurt and granola followed by a pot of lemongrass & mint herbal tea, which she sipped on as she looked over the list of questions that she had been preparing.
[00:01:37] Once 2PM finally rolled around, she headed out the door with a messenger bag slung over her shoulder. Inside was a notepad, several colored pens and a beaded gemstone necklace that Stevie picked up from the local “spiritual” shop as a thank you gift for Rio’s time.
[00:01:53] Stevie arrived at Rio’s and they exchanged hellos and other pleasantries as they made their way to the living room. She sat opposite of Rio, opting for the papasan chair where she could feel a little more comfortable and look Rio face to face.
[00:02:07] Rio leaned toward Stevie, starting the conversation off asking, “What have you been experiencing lately, Stevie? Haven had mentioned that she helped you ground the other day but didn’t offer much more than that. What have you been going through, Child?"
[00:02:22] Feeling like the floor was hers, Stevie opened up. “Well, it’s been a lot. I have been really struggling lately. I’ve cried so-” Her chest suddenly convulsed and small hiccups of cries mixed with her words as she continued, “Cried so much. Like this.” Feeling herself being vulnerable in front of someone else, she suddenly felt the release of tightness in her chest, enough to create an awkward chain of giggles as she kept on. “It’s definitely been a challenge and I’m just confused where I went wrong.”
[00:03:02] Listening intently, Rio asked for clarification. “Go on, Stevie. Tell me what led to all of this. What caused friction within you?”
[00:03:13] “Well…”, Stevie began but then scrambled to find the main event leading to her downfall. “I think it all started with the question about my passion that you had asked me.”
[00:03:24] Stevie looked up, waiting for a sign of approval to keep going with her story. Rio sipped on her cup of tea as she leaned in a few inches more.
[00:03:33] Stevie continued. “When I realized I wanted to work with children and verbalized that, it felt so real to me. The day after we all hung out, Haven had messaged me that she saw a job opening at a Montessori school. So I took the initiative and applied for it. They contacted me back right away and we had a zoom interview. It just felt so synchronistic and fated.”
[00:03:56] She paused to allow Rio the space of any kind of reply, but Rio just looked on, energetically sending the message for Stevie to continue.
[00:04:06] “So anyway, it felt like it was meant to happen, with the whole series of events that occurred. So I pulled out my tarot deck to do a quick reading to get confirmation that what I was feeling was right. I pulled out the Sun card, the Nine of Pentacles, I think it was… and … some other card that I am now forgetting. Anyway, it basically confirmed what I was feeling. That this job was for me.”
[00:04:31] Rio finally interjected and asked, “So what did you do with that information, Dear One?”
[00:04:38] “Well, I became overwhelmed with joy. I started daydreaming about my new life… and, I, uh, I may have texted Stan that I got the job.”
[00:04:49] Rio volleyed back, trying to keep Stevie on track to finish the story, “And so, how did the interview turn out?”
[00:04:57] “Well, I didn’t get the job and I, I am kind of afraid to admit it… that I kinda lost it. I feel like I’ve entered into a rut that I can’t come back from. I thought I was done with my current job that I hate... so, so much… but now, I have to keep doing it… forever.”
[00:05:20] Stevie’s over dramatic use of words entertained Rio slightly as she replied with a small chuckle. “Oh Stevie, I’m sure you won’t be stuck in that job forever, but let’s focus on the bigger lesson of all of this. Do you feel like you are able to thoroughly manage your emotions enough to trust the tools that you are using for Divine guidance? Are you able to be in non-preference?”
[00:05:43] Confused, Stevie rebutted, “I’m not sure what you mean by all of that. I just thought the tools were just that, tools. Like a shovel or a hammer… you use them to do things… like hammering!”
[00:05:58] Rio enjoyed Stevie’s childlike way of viewing the world of energy and it fed her, assisting in her answer. “Yes, tools are helpful but if you have a preference in what they confirm then there’s a good chance they will do just that or you won’t accept what they are telling you. But let’s first focus more on your reaction to not getting the job. First and foremost, the things we want may not always be the things we need. You are receiving signs but they may just not be the signs that you are looking for. You not getting the job was a sign… possibly to show you that there is more education or experience needed to attain it. There are possibilities to consider, but the most important is to take notice of how these external circumstances are affecting your internal wellbeing.”
[00:06:46] Rio paused and focused on Stevie, who was intently writing notes in her notepad, so much so she never looked up to see Rio looking at her. She then leaned in and asked “So Stevie, did your parents ever tell you no as a child?”
[00:07:02] Stevie stopped writing and looked up and replied, “Yeah, I think I heard my fair share of no’s. My parents were pretty strict.”
[00:07:11] “And how did you react as a child when you heard that?”, Rio questioned back.
[00:07:17] “Umm… I definitely did not like it. As a teenager, I remember yelling, slamming my door a lot, and punching my pillows. I feel like they said no to a lot of things that just didn’t make sense… like bringing me to my friend’s house a couple miles away on a weekend when we weren’t doing anything anyway.”
[00:07:35] Rio continued with her questions, “As someone who wants to work with kids and probably has been around kids, would you say that kids always know what’s best for them?”
[00:07:45] [Stevie] “No. Not at all. That’s kind of why I want to work with them. I want to help them learn and grow.”
[00:07:52] [Rio] “In doing that, you are essentially their guide in a way, right? So, if you had a child that wanted to eat a whole bag of candy before lunch, how would you handle that?”
[00:08:04] [Stevie] “Well… I mean… I feel like that’s an easy one, Rio. I would tell them no and then explain that they would get a stomach ache eating all of that sugar. I would help them make healthier choices.”
[00:08:16] Rio looked Stevie in the eyes and then patiently countered, “What if not getting that job was the Divine God looking out for you, saving you from a possible metaphorical stomach ache?”
[00:08:29] Stevie stared blankly for a few seconds and then her mouth dropped open. As she processed, she then questioned back, “I think I get what you mean, but I ended up with a stomach ache anyway from not getting the job?!”
[00:08:43] [Rio] “The stomach ache you experienced, Dear One, was self-inflicted through your emotional reaction because of your expectations which led to your disappointment. The metaphorical stomach ache I mentioned could have saved you from something more drawn out and possibly worse like working for a boss you eventually don’t get along with or doing a job that is too overly demanding. The Divine God has a way of protecting us from ourselves just as you want to protect the kids from themselves. We should trust in the Divine that we do not have all the information just as the kids don’t know what is healthiest for them - and thus need your guidance. Trust in the Divine God as your guide no matter your preferences, Stevie.”
[00:09:29] Stevie, lost in the words of Rio, came to and realized that Rio was knelt down in front of her holding her hand. “Uh Wow. That’s just - I can’t - I have no - … words. You have a way of making things sound so simple. Why does everything always feel so complicated in my head?”
[00:09:54] Rio smiled, sipped her tea and replied, “That’s because Knowledge is in the learning but wisdom is in the emptying, Dear One. Empty what is no longer serving you and you are left with simple wisdom.
[00:10:16] Alexander: Wow. Well, here we have Stevie has really gotten herself quite worked up over this potential job situation. And then she seems to be experiencing some frustration with, of course, tools not working. And so I think this is a good time for her to get with Rio and to discuss some of these things.
[00:10:37] So welcome everyone to our latest episode and looking forward to sharing everything that we're going to get into discussing this. And I think it is gonna be a little bit different from the previous ones, the things that we are discussing.
[00:10:51] Aaron: Yeah and I'll just reset this episode for you all. We are on episode 125, which is five full years, 25 episodes a year.
[00:11:01] So that's a little bit of a little milestone for us.
[00:11:03] Alexander: Yeah.
[00:11:03] Aaron: And it's coming on, I think seven years that we're gonna be knowing each other, in February. So we have that whole seven year cycle. [Mm-hmm] And we also wanted to let everybody know that we are going to be continuing this Inward Journey story series in seasons.
[00:11:18] So this first season we'll have 13 episodes. This is episode 12. So we'll have one more after this, and then we'll take a little break. Probably still discuss the prior season in the episodes that we release. But this allows us to kind of time travel a little bit, move the time forward a little bit so that the characters kind of progress. And then we're able to talk about different scenarios and get into different experiences that the characters have, so we can touch upon as many experiences of the human condition as possible.
[00:11:51] Alexander: Yes. And this means that we're gonna bring back, for a few months, more like the old style that we presented the podcast in. But at the same time, we're gonna be developing the new stories that we're just discussing for season two. And we'll be bringing that back around.
[00:12:06] So some people seem to be resonating with the old style a little bit more. Some people resonate with the story style a little bit more. So this is just a way to kind of hopefully give everybody a little bit of what they're, what they are looking to experience here on the Wise Whys Podcast.
[00:12:20] Aaron: And this episode has some low key experiences that I've had along in my journey, prior to, and then all in the past seven years of meeting Alexander, just kind of tweaked. So Stevie's kind of going through some similar circumstances and experiences that I've had, that I'm gonna be able to talk about more as we get into this episode.
[00:12:41] But the first thing I wanted to bring up, again, I wanted to touch upon signs. And I know we've discussed it in depth on two previous episodes, but just touch upon it a little bit, because I do feel like this story brought up just another layer of it. And it's the fact that like all of all the things that happen in our life can be seen as a sign, not just the ones that we are attracted to or that call our attention to being a sign, right?
[00:13:07] Alexander: Right. Yeah and some people choose specific things to follow as far as signs go, whether there is some type of tarot deck, or astrology, or animals, even. And there's nothing wrong with that, of course, but it can be a little limiting. To where if you choose to have the attitude or the intention that most anything can be a sign and you're able to walk life in that, that place of neutrality, that whatever comes across your path that it will have some information for you.
[00:13:44] Even in the other day, I happened to be experiencing a discomfort in my body and that night I happened to be watching a movie and in the movie they brought up the area of my body that I was having discomfort. And in the movie they mentioned a supplement, a natural supplement, that this person was using with a similar discomfort, and I took it right away as a sign and I ordered some of the supplement right away. And that has worked for me so much better in the past, rather than me focusing on looking for a specific sign. Rather being open to the universe or the Divine speaking through any format, or any form, or anyone. And this really helps us to embrace other people in the way that they talk about things, their views. Because again, if you can learn to walk in non preference, somebody else's view that's different from yours can still have some information that may be useful to you. So I hope that's making sense, rather than being so focused on certain signs to learn to walk, to be open to most anything being assigned at the right time.
[00:15:05] Aaron: Yeah, I think most of us only see signs when they're like smack in front of our face. And in the complete conversation we'll get into why that's not a good practice, only doing that. Because the universe is gonna get your attention when it needs you to reroute, [Yes] like we've talked about in, in previous episodes.
[00:15:24] Alexander: And, it's similar, and or connected to like anyone that buys like a new car. Many times they'll get a yellow. Whatever it is, uh, Prius and then they see nothing but yellow Prius's. And see that's the way that the mind can work that we don't notice until we bring something into our life. And then it seems like it's everywhere. But see, it's not that more is coming around just because that purchase happened. You just weren't looking in the same way as you are once you buy something, you want it to be like special or individual, and then you see it everywhere.
[00:16:05] Aaron: So the next thing I want to bring up was when Stevie thought she was done with her job, and it's almost like she started planning her life in her head outside of that job.
[00:16:14] And then when the realization set in that she didn't get the new job and she would have to return to her old job, that is where a lot of her frustration and sadness kind of came in. And this is one of the experiences that I've had in the past, not with jobs, but, but I can get into briefly sharing in the complete conversation around my experience with crypto and how that kind of led me to feeling like my life was gonna change in a certain way. And then I got brought back down, uh, pretty fast. It took months for me to readjust after just daydreaming and planning, a little bit. It took a long time to kind of come back down to the realization that that wasn't gonna happen.
[00:16:54] Alexander: Yes. And that is experiencing expectations rather than intention. And, there's nothing wrong with dreaming or having a vision. But again, with intention, there is no attachment to how it plays out. And that's a challenging concept for a lot of people to grasp onto because I've been told before that it seems like I just don't care about anything. And, and see, I carry preferences. The act of learning to, to live outside of preferences doesn't mean you don't ever have a preference. It simply means that you recognize when you do and you accept that I'm probably not seeing this clearly. So in those situations, again, this person isn't doing anything wrong, but this is when it's nice to have somebody that you can go and get a different view from, especially if they don't have a dog in the fight, so to say, or they don't have anything that they're going to gain from it. To just help you see it from a non-attached view. And this is how we can utilize people in our lives, but many times, friends want their friend to support them in their vision.
[00:18:08] So that's why it's very challenging many times for a family member or friend to play that non-bias role, because there are some biases there. And why it helps to have somebody neutral that you can go to present the information that you're dealing with and get a non-preference, logical, maybe view of it, or even metaphysical view.
[00:18:31] Aaron: I think a large part of our upcoming conversation when we get into more depth is going to be centered around the spiritual plane and faith and how, or the role that the Divine plays within our everyday life. And, and one thing that Rio said was that things we want may not always be the things we need.
[00:18:53] And that kind of wraps in how they had a discussion back and forth that encompassed most of this episode about how Rio connected the Divine to Stevie being a teacher. And so in that metaphor, Stevie was the Divine and the kids were, you know, everyday people [Mm-hmm] relating to the Divine.
[00:19:13] Alexander: Yes. And I look really forward to getting this deep cause it's been one of my biggest teachings of my experience and sharing with people that when we're able to see that Divine energy, like the optimal mother and father, that Divine Feminine and Divine Masculine, and that role, it doesn't make mistakes, so to say. And when we're, we can be seen as adults as comparing us to that higher vibration or that Divine energy similar to a five-year-old and where they are at in their thinking process to the adult. And when the adult does take away the candy, the five-year-old many times thinks the adult or the parent is being mean or that they've done something wrong. And many times they'll cry and get very upset and emotional, and all the mom or the parent or the adult is doing is protecting the child.
[00:20:10] So sometimes when we have things taken away from us, it's for our highest good. But see, time needs to go by, a certain amount of time needs to go by, before we can reflect back and see what good that has done in our life.
[00:20:27] And with me personally, you know, one of my, biggest tragedy of losing Sherry over 14 years ago, you know, that has now come to a point that it's made me such a better person because it broke me on every level. And it helped me to rebuild in a different fashion to where a much more centered, much more living in intention, non-preference, and all of that came from my trauma.
[00:20:54] So any of you out there that are listening, that are presently going through a trauma or major changes in your life, this is where faith does come in to have the faith, and in due time you will understand why that had to happen the way that it did. And some people are able to get there faster than others. And many times that's only because they've been through more situations than those other people.
[00:21:17] Aaron: And that's when we bring in the first pillar and also the word trust. Trust in God, trust in the Divine. This particular subject has been probably the top one of this year for me in my practice in getting more comfortable and more intimate with pillar one.
[00:21:38] Alexander: Mm-hmm. Yes. Because I even raised my boys on the fact that the more that they were able to accept no in a useful way or a beneficial or accepting way, the more yeses that they would get. And from time to time, they might ask me to go spend the night with a friend, and just initially I would say no to just see how they would respond. And I taught them that a no can turn to a yes in a snap of a finger because I wanna see how they handled the no. And they handled no's very well, so they actually got very few nos throughout their life. But it was important for me to teach them that I'm always looking out for your best interest.
[00:22:24] So my no's are just as important as yeses. And I still use that today with the Divine in my own life of when something gets taken away, I carry the faith that I've already either received the something of equal value or I will very soon. And that helps me to stay, you know, non-attached to people, places, or things.
[00:22:46] Aaron: For the new listeners out there, I don't know if you want to bring in and talk about pillar one and then how it can strengthen our bond with the Divine.
[00:22:55] Alexander: Yeah, so pillar one is Finding the Divine Order in the Chaos. Or the way I prefer to say it is Everything's in Divine, Order, whether I understand it or not. And that is a practice of trust and faith, that right now I'm going through this and this feels frictional because it's not in my preferences, but I trust in due time I will understand why I'm having to go through this. And that helps the process of the resistance to move through and there's some views out there that there's a heaven and a hell and that there's God here and there's a devil running around making people do things.
[00:23:35] And I'm not judging that view, I'm just saying that this view, when I took it on in my own practice, really changed my life. To see that we are part of creating our own heaven and hell right here on this earth plane, in this lifetime, and that those preferences are normally what makes us feel the hell or the resistance.
[00:24:00] So again, here I'm gonna bring in the term acceptance. That sounds like a simple word, but it's a very complex practice. That acceptance in your life does not mean that you condone or approve of. I've said this in many, many episodes. But it simply means that you're able to accept it and not resist it. Because again, we'll get deeper into this, resistance is necessary for growth. So anything that you want to stop growing, any situation, any anxiety you work with, accepting it and stopping the resistance of it.
[00:24:36] Aaron: And then lastly, I wanted to just touch upon this, but I think we'll cover most of it in the complete conversation, which is when Rio was talking about how preventing kids from getting a stomach ache with withholding the candy from a teacher perspective. And then Stevie brought in that she still got a stomach ache and that was from her emotional reactions. So I did want to discuss the differences between those. And just so it was more clear.
[00:25:04] Alexander: Yeah, so going back to the child analogy. See the parent is keeping the additional sugar away to keep that type of stomach ache from coming. But if the child chooses to be so upset and so angry or distraught that they can't have that candy right then, they can create their own stomach ache. But see, that's not from a substance such as sugar. That is a self-inflicted, not accepting. Not accepting. So, yes. Here Stevie went through some aches and pains and those kind of things, but it was self-inflicted due to her preferences, due to her working in expectations, even sending the text to her husband that she's got the job before it's gone through just because she's so-called following her signs. When she's not following the signs, she's following her preferences.
[00:26:00] And then that makes it even harder when they come back together to discuss because Stan thinks that everything's gone great. And she's upset at him that he don't realize that, no, it didn't. But he's just going off of what information that she had given him up to that point.
[00:26:16] Aaron: Yeah, she definitely, the last couple episodes, has been on an emotional rollercoaster and we can trace back that she was the source of all that emotional reaction. [Yes] rollercoaster.
[00:26:27] Alexander: Yes. Creating the idea, the concept, you know, envisioning, seeing it all work out and then believing it. See, it's nothing wrong again with having the vision. Be a dreamer, be, you know, use visualization, but don't stay attached to the dream or the visualization. Trust that it's gonna work out in Divine Order, all you have to do is take a few steps and get the energy moving in that direction.
[00:26:53] Aaron: Well, we'll get into how to do that without being attached, coming up. See you guys on the other side.
[00:26:57] Alexander: Blessings.
[00:26:59] Aaron: Welcome and thank you for joining us on the complete conversation of episode 125.
[00:27:05] Alexander: Welcome everybody. Good to have you with us.
[00:27:07] Aaron: And I'm ready to dive in, Alexander. So the first item we talked about was that of the signs, and we don't want to spend too much time on this because we've exhausted it, but I personally felt a change of perception of the way I looked at signs just by you saying recently that anything can be a sign. And then I started looking at, okay, well why do I only pay attention to certain things that I deem as signs and I don't pay attention to like all these other things that could be signs?
[00:27:34] And I think it does come down to my preference. And when something comes up that is leading me to my preference, then I'm like, oh, that's a sign. You know?
[00:27:43] Alexander: Yes, yes. Very common.
[00:27:45] Aaron: But, but then, like you said, like anything can be a sign. Anything and everything can be a sign. And so when we're looking at signs, we have to take a large amount of them to even do something unbiased. Right?
[00:27:58] Alexander: Yeah. And this is a, it's a process. It is learning like anything else. And the less that you're defensive in life, the less that you're opinionated, there's a reason that this acceptance is so powerful, is that it puts you in a different vibration to where you can hear something that somebody may say that's useful, even if you don't agree with exactly the subject or whatever that is. And if you walk this life from the view of a student and looking at everybody and everything as your teacher, which is another one of the five pillars that Everyone and every situation can be your teacher, if you are looking for the lesson.
[00:28:43] Then in those situations, see, you can't be receiving from a teacher and judging them simultaneously. If you're judging, you're not receiving. So this is a big characteristic of- I'm not suggesting to just be passive in this life, and that's the way some people sees this work, but it's really very, very active. That you, you're active in managing your emotions to not cloud your view of what is coming to you.
[00:29:16] And, you know, that when somebody sets in prayer or in meditation or some type of discipline to where they want to receive, see, there's no conflict of judgment that is there unless they have the monkey mind going on. But the whole key to that meditation or to prayer is to be in a very centered and calm place to where you can receive a sign. And also I want to add that I don't feel like there's any issues with asking for a sign, but again, the less specific in this situation, instead of saying, "could you please bring me a sign through, you know, animal language today?" Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but you're limiting yourself to where if you just say "Yes, would you please gimme a sign today about my next job situation, or my relationship, or my next house purchase", or whatever it is, and then be open to however the sign shows up.
[00:30:16] Because just consider that the animal that has the message, each animal represents different characteristics, but the animal that carries that message may not even exist in your vicinity. So that's why if you choose the animal way, and you're, you're asking for something, I hope you can see the limitations that that brings to where somebody could bring you the answer you're looking for in a conversation that you're having with them, or in a conversation where you're just standing in line at the grocery store and you secondhandly only hear somebody else talking about something.
[00:30:54] The key here is that you're not carrying the preference or the limitation.
[00:30:58] Aaron: So it's very similar to the experience that you had that you brought up in the first half around you learning about that supplement because, I know you're a little different than me, but in the way I look for supplements, like I'm doing my own research and that's the way that I find things. So if I came across that, I may judge that sign or have like a projected judgment because somebody may judge me for looking into that, hearing a supplement be talked about on a show or on tv, and then being like, "oh, maybe I should try that". People, you know, would probably look at that and judge it as like, you're gonna take advice from a tv? Because it's not even like an infomercial, they're not even trying to sell it to you. But if you're not reading into your preferences of how you get a sign, then you would be open to that, right?
[00:31:48] Alexander: Right. Yes. And I'm gonna give the details here, and it is a little personal, but that's okay. Because we're vulnerable here on this podcast.
[00:31:54] So a week or so ago, I started feeling like I had a urinary tract infection. This pressure to urinate almost constantly. And so right away, anytime there's anything going on in my body, I take it as a message. And the emotional connection to the prostate is vulnerability avoidance, okay. It's avoiding some type of vulnerability.
[00:32:20] And I looked at that, you know, and I just went, I feel like I'm a very vulnerable person. I'm vulnerable on the air here. I'm vulnerable to my intimate relationships, even to strangers that come to my classes. I'm very, I feel like very open in my teachings and my sharing. But see, this is where I say don't be the judge, because see, that could stop there and I could just go, "uh, no, that doesn't fit me". But be the investigator. And so I went into, okay, where and maybe I'm not as vulnerable as I either think I am or can be. So I went into meditation and I use a pendulum for messages, and in the meditation it come to me that is time to step into a new level of vulnerability.
[00:33:07] As far as me doing more videos, me getting more of these teachings, not in just the podcast, but on more social media stuff and that type of thing. And I have had just a little bit of resistance to that because I'm not a big social media fan, but it is part of our world now. And I was hoping for a long time that the podcast would be enough of that.
[00:33:28] But now I'm accepting that, you know, it's not, and that life is asking me to be more vulnerable in these social media platforms. And that means doing videos, but I wanna bring in a certain level of artistic into it and do it different. If I've gotta do it, or if I feel like I need to do it, then I want to at least do it in an original manner.
[00:33:47] And so, as soon as I got that message, and I used my pendulum myself to check to see if I was taking that optimally or correctly, and the answer was yes. So then that's when I put on this movie, completely not related or not thinking about it. And the funny thing is, is that there comes a scene like literally five minutes into the show and there's a gentleman peeing, and there's two people in the room and they can hear him peeing.
[00:34:17] And he comes walking out and he goes, "Do you hear that stream of pee? I'm 52 years old and I've got that strong of stream of pee cause I take saw palmetto everyday and I have two ejaculations every day, sometimes with somebody, sometimes not." And it was to be comical, but I heard the saw palmetto. So soon as I heard that, then I went and did my research and saw all of the benefits of saw palmetto, which is beyond just any kind of urinary tract or prostate or anything like that. It helps with hair loss, cardiovascular system.
[00:34:52] So then I brought out my pendulum again and checked it, and it was a huge yes. Like sometimes it's like a small Yes. And sometimes it's a huge yes. So see that was the confirmation. I got the information by just being open. Then did my research. Then found the right product that I'm looking for, a very high grade. Ordered it and literally got it that day because Amazon had, if I ordered it within an hour, same day delivery. So see if anybody wants to talk about signs, I don't know what can be more of a sign in this world than that. That I actually had the herbal assistance the same day that I got the message.
[00:35:37] So that was just a small story and it started helping like literally right away. So see, I don't feel now that I had a urinary tract infection, it was maybe that the prostate was just inflamed a little bit. And so now through the emotional connection of getting into sharing more through social media and that type of thing, doing the so-called advertisement, that's not my favorite thing to do, and accepting that I need to do that and taking a supplement to- because see, when I accept that on the emotional side, it changes my energetic makeup, which is going to assist the physical body. And then to assist the physical body even more, I do it through supplementation.
[00:36:22] So I hope that this is a good story for everybody to see how I just kind of followed the trail rather than having blinders on and looking for it in a certain way. And I take it as a blessing from the Divine that all of that information was given and I'm so grateful that I was able to receive it, but it was a true gift from the Divine.
[00:36:43] Aaron: Yeah. I'm glad you went into a lot of detail on that because it was interesting to see. Because, you know, if you would've asked me, I would've said D-Mannose right away. It's the stuff that's in the cranberry juice that [mm-hmm] that helps it. And so you wouldn't have gotten all that
[00:36:59] Alexander: Right.
[00:36:59] Aaron: Right?
[00:37:00] Alexander: Yeah. And it wouldn't have been that you were wrong, [Yeah] because it's about the so-called diagnosis. And if that could've worked if it was a urinary tract infection. I happen to use olive leaf before I got the saw palmetto, because olive leaf extract is a natural antibiotic and I don't care to take pharmaceutical antibiotics unless absolutely necessary.
[00:37:20] So, so see, I was able to use that bridge of an anti-inflammatory, antiviral, as like a natural antibiotic. And then I got led to the Saul Palmetto. And then, like I said, it had such an effect, so quickly that that's what made me feel confident that it was probably just a little bit of an inflammation rather than an infection.
[00:37:43] Aaron: Yeah. And like I say that I feel like the universe knows how to get our attention in the exact way it needs to, to give us information. [Yes] and so, so like if I had that same experience, I probably would've went headfirst into like researching stuff and would've totally missed that.
[00:38:00] Alexander: Yes. Yes. And that's why there is no right or wrong here. It's just in whether you are practicing trust and faith. And you do have that trust that the way nature works is anywhere where there is some type of poison or danger, there is normally within the local area, the resolve or the so-called fix for it. The antidote in the same local area. That's the way that nature was designed. And this is a little bit of an issue with diagnosises. Even when people go to doctors to get a professional diagnosis, they still misdiagnose often. And many people have lots of repercussions from the side effects of the pharmaceutical that they're put on. And yes, it may not be even the situation that they're dealing with.
[00:38:46] So I'm not suggesting to do all your own diagnosing. Certain people do need that external, but to work towards that trust. And the main thing is that you get so sensitive to your energetic field that you feel it before it's really a so-called physical issue. So see, I'm not even saying that my prostate was inflamed. I'm just saying that I felt it and I felt that something was off and I wanted to make an adjustment as soon as possible. But the very first thing in my world is changing the perception, looking at the emotional connection, which is tied to the energetic connection and the mental connection is how we're perceiving it.
[00:39:28] So shift that first, and I feel like that that helps the medication or the supplement to work even faster, deeper, better.
[00:39:37] Aaron: And some of Stevie's emotional reactions throughout this whole process was because she allowed herself to think of a better life beyond her current job that she disliked strongly, and it is very similar to what I went through in like 2017 where I was trading crypto. And if you go back to the very early episodes of the Wise Whys podcast, we talk about crypto a lot. And actually the greed thing came up for me this past couple days because of the house transaction and a situation happened where I had to concede and give up a little more money because of inspection stuff. And I took it as a lesson in greed. Like this is continuing from that crypto lesson. [Mm-hmm] which is just cut my losses and I'm confident that I'll make up that money in another way.
[00:40:27] Alexander: Yes.
[00:40:27] Aaron: So don't be attached to how you get the money. And so going back to my crypto days, I turned $10,000 into 500,000. And then, once I had that, it was still theoretical because I never sold it, but I allowed myself to dream of how I could live if I had $500,000 in the bank and how my life could be different, how I wouldn't have to code websites anymore, I could just focus more on the podcast or more on my own journey. And so in a month or two process, I had taken time off from work and I totally separated myself from that, that part of the world. And then, a couple months later, it all started to crash and I didn't sell because of my greed.
[00:41:10] And it ended up, I learned a lesson there and I had to almost like crawl back to my own life. And get back into the idea that I had to go back to that job because this whole $500,000 wasn't there because my greed came in and I didn't just sell just to make a little bit, I kept hanging on to make more, make more, make more, because that's what was happening.
[00:41:37] Alexander: Mm-hmm.
[00:41:37] Aaron: So it was very similar to what Stevie was going through, where just in a short period of time, she was attached to this new lifestyle, that we even talked about how in a story that she felt it was going to be better for her and Stan, like it was going to improve her happiness. So she felt like it was going to improve their relationship in a way.
[00:41:54] Alexander: Sure. And that's the wonderful thing of justification, which is a human's biggest obstacle, is the ability to justify almost anything. And I wanted to bring in here a story of someone I know that had just a little over a hundred thousand dollars embezzled from them. And this was many, many years ago, possibly 10 or more years. And they're still very hurt by that because it was a trust issue, breaking of trust, and this is somebody that they really trusted. That kind of thing. But I'm going to come back to that. I trust that nothing can be taken away from you that was meant to be yours. And nothing can be taken away that won't be replaced in another manner. But we don't need to look for things to be tit for tat so to say.
[00:42:41] And when they were honest with me to say, I still struggle with my anger towards that person, and here's what I asked them. I said, cause they're, older in age and even in retirement. And so I said, "Did you happen to receive any money from you or your partner's parents when they passed?"
[00:43:03] And they said, "Yeah, yeah, we did."
[00:43:06] And I said, "Did it happen to be equal to, or more than the hundred thousand dollars?"
[00:43:11] And she said, "Oh yeah, it was, it was much more.
[00:43:14] And I just smiled and I said, "Well, see, you were given more, you said much more. That was just given to you way before this went out." And I said, "See, the only shift here is to remember gratitude over all the negative emotions. And to realize and remember, no, I did receive an ample amount and this ample amount went out." And then the next thing I said to get old to work with forgiveness is that you look to see what you learned. And I said, "What did you learn?"
[00:43:51] And they said, "Oh my gosh, so much. Not to put our money in other people's hands. To always be part of our finances. And then we got more frugal and we had multiple properties. And we got into selling all the properties and getting outta debt. And so in seven years we were in a completely different financial situation."
[00:44:10] And I said, "Do you see the gift that this was taken away after you've already been given more than that? And then you were able to make these adjustments in your life and now you and your partner have a much better life. And that that loss was part of this beauty." and it completely changed the person's demeanor, their mindset and everything.
[00:44:33] And so looking at whether you believe in karma or not, or things being passed down, to realize that it's a cosmic karmic payment. Or if you just do unto others, as others do unto you, realize that yes, you be kind because somebody else is gonna be kind to you down the road, or other people have been kind to you. Don't be kind to the person expecting that person to be kind back to you. That's what most people look for. And they go, "oh, I'm not gonna be kind to you if you're not kind to me." Well this person over here is kind to you. So continue to be kind here. And I hope this is really connecting with our audience because this was a huge, huge breakthrough for me, probably 15 years ago or so to, to see this and it is connected to following signs.
[00:45:20] Aaron: It is connected to following signs, but it's also leading us to the whole topic of this episode, which is around looking at the Divine as more of an all seeing, all knowing energy and almost like a parent to us, as we make our way through our journey, not being able to see and be all knowing. Because otherwise, how would we grow if we knew everything? So, I love that story because it did kind of bring us right into this.
[00:45:48] Alexander: Yes, yes. And that's the analogy that Rio is sharing with Stevie, you know, bringing the little kid in and that you're taking the candy away for a good reason, but that doesn't mean the child's not going to get upset and even create their own stomach ache.
[00:46:01] But the truth of the matter is, is that was because the child is caught in their emotions and they're not able to see clearly what the parent is doing. And we can fall into that as so-called adults all the time, when we don't get our way, we get upset. But see, people raising children, they punish their child for doing the same thing that they typically do very often in life, which is get upset when you don't get your way.
[00:46:30] Aaron: And one of the reasons why I fell in love with this philosophy of life is because it is based on how energy interacts between us or just, the laws of the universe and the laws of energy. And one can look at energy and learn, metaphorically, everything they need to know for their life if they can, you know, see it on all those levels.
[00:46:54] And so, this isn't an opinion. This isn't your opinion. This isn't my opinion. This is kind of an adaptation of how energy works and we're applying it to how we interact, how we communicate, and how we give and take and receive energy. And so when we're talking about karma on a global scale, it is just that it. Is an energy exchange. So I also saw that through that story that you just shared.
[00:47:18] Alexander: Yes. And that's connected to as above, so below. As within, so without. So, you know, the external world is, some people call it a play, but I call it a classroom. You can be in class anytime you choose. And normally the class is around managing the emotions so that you can see clearly the message.
[00:47:38] Aaron: And we did bring in when Rio said things we want may not always be the things we need.
[00:47:43] Alexander: Yes. This is another big one of the philosophy that when people focus on what they need, they're attached a lot less. When people are focusing on what they want, they're typically very attached.
[00:47:59] For instance, if somebody is in need of shelter or in need of food, or in need of water, they're not going to be too selective about what is offered. Because they need it, and they'll be grateful for whatever they can get. But to somebody that's like say, is out in the cold and they didn't take their jacket and they've got plenty of money in the bank, and they got a nice house, a nice car, and somebody says, "Oh, oh, I've got an extra jacket in the back of my truck here. Would you like it?" And they pull it out and it's like, not necessarily attractive.
[00:48:38] That person may say, "No, that's okay. I'll walk a couple of blocks back home and get my jacket so that they will be in style." So see that's an example of something's being offered. They're not at a stage of need, so want is still prevailing. So yes, I won't take that jacket to be comfortable. I will be uncomfortable while I walk back to my home and get my more stylish jacket.
[00:49:02] Aaron: So I did want to get into how we can apply this episode to the first pillar and go more in depth on how the first pillar and the practice of giving your trust and faith in the Divine to know better than you and know that it's always looking out for you and some of the things that you want, that you may not get is for the highest good of yourself, and how that translates into more depth in our spirituality.
[00:49:35] Alexander: Well, one of the main practice of the spiritual level, which again we work with Five Levels here of the Physical, the Mental, the Emotional, the Energetic, and the Spiritual or Religious. There's just three or four main characteristics of the spiritual level in the just Philosophy, and trust in faith is two of those. And the other one is non-judgment. And then of course that equals gratitude.
[00:50:00] So you can't practice trust or faith when you're getting what you want. You can typically only practice those two practices when life is challenging. And just like the child learns over time that mom's just not being mean from taking the jelly beans, but see, the five year old may need to be 12 years old before they really understand that. And that's a seven year process, which isn't, you know, drastic at all. You know, there's that saying of hindsight is 20/20, and I don't exactly agree with that, but the whole point of that saying is that the longer time goes on, if you're interested in seeing the bigger picture, you can see how that so-called tragedy brought benefits to your life.
[00:50:57] Now, see, I'm not preaching any kind of silver linings, or positive affirmations, or Pollyanna thinking, this is all connected to physics, as you were saying, and whatever we want to grow, needs resistance. So look through nature and anything that grows, normally there's some friction involved. And so it came very clear to me, a while back, that anything that I want to dissipate or leave in my experience, that I stop the friction or the resistance to it.
[00:51:29] And that's where the acceptance teaching comes in. And in order to understand acceptance, one has to be able to practice, from my understanding, faith and trust. And the more that you practice faith and trust, the more acceptance that you have in your life. And again, acceptance doesn't equal condoning of or approving of the situation, or the person, or the thing. It simply means that you accept that it's in your world presently, and you have to deal with this.
[00:52:01] And so, that is leaning more towards something that we need, but we won't understand it right away. There will have to be some time that passes. And I say these teachings coming from a huge trauma of losing my most valuable person on this planet a little over 14 years ago and learning how I grew from that trauma, that tragedy. After going through seven years of excruciating pain and coming to the point to understand that I was creating it through my frustration and my preferences. And so this isn't coming from a conceptual view. This is coming from an actual experience over a seven year period that now has turned into a ongoing 14, 15 year period and I hold very, very true to the power of faith and trust and acceptance, and getting rid of pains, getting rid of discomforts.
[00:53:02] And I've worked now with hundreds and hundreds of people that's had some amazing results. But the thing is, is that we can't fool ourselves. The body doesn't lie. So as soon as you have a discomfort, or you have a diagnosis, or you have some pain, there's a message that's coming to you, that's much more important than possibly any looking at a tarot deck or an animal sign or some sign externally. To realize that we have the majority of the messages we need are in our body.
[00:53:33] Just like anxiety. We discussed just slightly a little bit earlier. Anxiety is a sign of not being grounded, not being centered. So as soon as we feel anxiety, if we can stop multitasking, we can get centered and do some breathing exercises to get back in tune with our body. Many times that is what dissipates the anxiety.
[00:53:55] I went through five straight years of it every single day. And I chose not to do any pharmaceuticals, and I did prove in my own world that it was the emotion, frustration. And I didn't realize that I'd carried frustration through my whole life. And so, I didn't realize the effect that it was having on me until I stopped living in frustration. And that took me two years of practice, people. That to understand that this work we're talking about isn't some kind of instant gratification, just like if you want an optimal body, you don't just get that by working out for a week or a few days. Normally that's years of investment to get the kind of look that most people are looking.
[00:54:37] Aaron: Yeah. And you're exactly right. Like practicing the faith in the Divine is so easy when everything is good in your life. And even feeling that connection. Some will say it's God's love. Some will say it's plugging into that one consciousness, that one love.
[00:54:53] But you know, recently if anybody has bought or sold a house, it's, it can be full of anxiety. And it's kind of what I'm kind of wrapping up now in my life. And I've had several , several events happen where I've had to just sit there with myself and be like, everything's in Divine Order, whether I understand it or not. And just keep repeating that over and over until, until, until it dissipated. Because I'm like, Aaron, do you believe this is true? Yes. I mean, do you know this is true? So, but it did take some time and that's like the practice that you're talking about. Just like lifting weights, that's the practice that somebody's going through to get that better body.
[00:55:27] So it is kind of that practice. It's not something that you can just have the perspective of, like I do, and then be able to just pull it off immediately. Like I've known you for seven years, been practicing this stuff for probably six and a half, at all my different levels, and I'm still having to, you know, use mantras. [Yes] So it's, it's a practice.
[00:55:49] Alexander: It is a practice. And I've been, you know, working on this stuff for 25 years and the whole getting out of the fixing mentality, or the even healing mentality, and for me it helps to just look at everything as a management deal. Because, still to this day, like I'm now I'm pain free in my chest, but I have a very high level of empathic nature and to where I even sensed some anxiety earlier and got it confirmed that it's not mine. It was something in the environment that I was picking up and if I go into any frustration, my chest pain will come back full fledged.
[00:56:29] See my body reminds me now, every day or every moment, not to enter into frustration. And pain is one of the greatest teachers and the greatest helpers for us to make change. Unfortunately, our culture has been taught to run from pain. And I was fortunate enough in my late twenties to have a wonderful teacher named Sam that taught me that pain is your greatest teacher. If you don't run from the pain, that it will eventually teach you something. Now, I'm not suggesting to people to just suffer because if you're not learning something from the pain, if you're not dissecting, if you're not studying like what it's connected to in all these areas that we talk about on this podcast, then no, I don't want you to just suffer.
[00:57:17] But that's the thing is like the Buddha had a wonderful saying that life is suffering. And many people don't understand that. But when I read that and studied that, I understood right away that, hey, you're going to suffer in this life. You get two choices. You either just suffer to suffer, or you suffer and you learn from it so that you don't have to continue that suffering.
[00:57:40] And that was just a huge shift because no one should think that they're going to get away from any type of suffer, if they're involved in the world and relating to people at all. But again, it's not about avoiding the emotions, it's about how quickly you can get in and out of them, and then move on with your day. Again, there's nothing wrong with these emotions. We were designed to be emotional beings, to learn to process the emotions, to manage the emotions, not be controlled by the emotions.
[00:58:11] And of course, this is what our government and many, many people on this plane know, is how to stimulate people through polarizing different views. And that's what happens in our media every single day. And it keeps people worked up and caught in their emotions, and as long as people are in their emotions, they're able to be controlled.
[00:58:32] Aaron: And like the pain and the anxiety and the things that we feel internally are all just signs as well.
[00:58:38] Alexander: Yes.
[00:58:38] Aaron: And I wanted to just talk about part of my spirituality is taking on that view of the Divine being a parental role and taking comfort in that, that comfort that I don't need to know everything and that somebody has my back. And as long as I'm willing to look at life that way, then it does kind of feel like a fatherly or parental love that you can kind of tap into. So I can see why we refer to God as a he, or a father, or a parental figure. It does kind of feel like that love on some level, if you choose this perspective.
[00:59:16] Alexander: Yes. Because both the optimal Divine Masculine and optimal Divine Feminine. And part of the Divine Masculine's role is boundaries, and discipline, and those types of things. So see when something isn't our preference, that can be seen as a boundary or a type of discipline. But it doesn't mean that you've done something wrong or that something's wrong.
[00:59:38] And then we also have, most people have had the experience of just being enveloped in gratitude or appreciation for that Divine's love or God's love, Jesus' love, whatever you want to call that. And even to weeping. So see, that's that Divine Feminine energy coming through. So I happen to feel that we don't need to rely on genders or the people around us to get the feeds that we need, that we're constantly being given everything that we need and it's our duty to control the wants, to be in gratitude for our needs being fulfilled.
[01:00:17] Aaron: And I know we're running a little long, but I did just realize I skipped over something that I said we were gonna talk about, which is, how can we plan or kind of how Stevie did with her job, thinking about her life, if she didn't have her current job and got her, got her dream job, how can we plan without kind of feeding into that attachment?
[01:00:38] Alexander: Well, here's a simple phrase to say something like, like if somebody said to you, well, where are you gonna buy property? What kind of house you gonna buy, how much land? Like, all of that, you could say, you could respond in a way to say, well, you know, I've got an idea or intention that I'm setting for somewhere around five acres of land and maybe a thousand square foot home. And I would like to have some running water of some type on it, but I trust that Divine will lead me toward what is for my highest good.
[01:01:09] And see, it's not about just saying, it's about truly enveloping that and knowing that, that maybe I need to be open to something that gets offered outside of that particular preference. And see this can go against some of the people out there that are on the manifestation train. That you just keep focusing on what you want to manifest and you will eventually create it. But what they don't teach in that is the cost of what you've gotta give up to continue going in that willpower to create.
[01:01:42] I just tell people, oh, you can manifest anything that you want to, but you're not aware of the cost. To where if you set an intention and you give it certain parameters, but then you're flexible and you're able to adjust, because again, it's the one that can adjust that will persevere. Not the strongest, not the smartest. It's the one that can adjust.
[01:02:03] So making part of our life, and our dreams, and our intentions connected to flexibility. Because we need to get over thinking we know what is best for us. Just like that five year old thinks that eating that whole jug of jelly beans or candy is what they want. But that's not for its highest good.
[01:02:26] Aaron: So using Stevie as an example of that, with her thinking that she got this job, can you explain how she would optimally treat her situation in that, in that way?
[01:02:37] Alexander: Yeah. So she got the message from Haven about the job openning and that seemed to be in alignment with what she had shared with Rio. So then she made the connection of reaching out and setting up an interview, that type of thing. And then she thought that that went pretty well, but maybe it come down to she didn't literally have the credentials that was necessary to hold that job. That wasn't discussed. And many times those types of things aren't necessarily discussed in an interview.
[01:03:05] But see, if she would've gotten finished with that interview and said, you know, this feels good going in this direction. And however this works out, whether I get this job or not, you know what, I'm going to continue going in this direction. So if I don't get this job, I'm going to inquire on what was missing that I need.
[01:03:26] And they might say, oh, a two year degree of blah, blah, blah, this, or experience, six months, or a year, or a few years of experience of taking care of children. Something like that. Or a four or six year degree to be a teacher. So see there's many different variables there. And then she would have the information. That wouldn't be wasted experience because she learned what she needs.
[01:03:48] Now, okay, I'm gonna go to my job because I see that I'm going to have to be in this job a little bit longer. So let me change my perception of this job. But I'm going to be working on into developing and getting the skills that I need to have this dream job that now I have in focus that I felt like I meant for.
[01:04:07] But see, that could be anywhere from one to five years down the road. But again, she thinks she has to have it right now because it's what she wants. When she could still be planning on that, working towards that, and if she really despises that job as much as she does, quit and get another job. There's many options here, but when you just don't get your way and you throw a temper tantrum as you see, it goes out and ripples all over everyone that's around. And she affected many different people. Even the old lady that she was kind of rude to when she went back into work. That's how you control and manage the ripples that goes out, is by having a vision, having an intention, and then when you get a no, inquiring, what else do I need? Oh, okay. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that cause I've never applied for a job like this.
[01:05:02] So, see, all of that could have still stayed an excitement stage, an interest stage, but the logical part is very important and she wasn't clear on the logistics of what she may have needed to, to get that job.
[01:05:17] Aaron: Yeah, that was well illustrated as far as using something like a job interview as information going forward, where I feel like because she was invested in the signs and even where it came from, Rio asking her a question and led to all this, she felt like she had to be in haste. Like this had to happen now because she was being divinely guided in a way, and it led to- I mean, anybody can see the two different scenarios. The one that you just laid out and the one that she just went through.
[01:05:46] Alexander: Right.
[01:05:46] Aaron: I mean, it's night and day.
[01:05:47] Alexander: Yeah. And I love the saying is, this isn't mine but I'm not sure where it come from, but urgency isn't of spirit. So that's why it's simple. Anytime I feel a rush, the answer is no, stop. This isn't in Divine Order. I feel like anytime that something is rushed, unless it's some kind of emergency accident, blah, blah, blah, and that's going to an extreme. But here we're not in that kind of extreme. We're just talking about people's wants.
[01:06:13] Aaron: Well, that's a great ending to this episode. I'm glad that we did touch upon that. Because I feel like there was a lot for people to dissect there.
[01:06:20] Alexander: Yes. Woo! We ain't giving you one of those in a while.
[01:06:24] Aaron: All right, everybody. Well stay tuned because our next episode coming up in a couple weeks being released will be our final one of this season. Season one of the Inward Journey story series.
[01:06:35] Alexander: Blessings, everyone.